OMG! I’m using a non-Debian Linux distro!
Over the long Memorial Day weekend I decided to do some further Linux distro-hopping, and so wiped out my beloved Crunchbang Linux to test the following distros:
sidux – based on Debian Sid (unstable)
Arch – although I cheated and used an Arch Live CD
Knoppix – also based on Debian
Mandriva – probably the second Linux distro I ever tried (after Red Hat) around the turn of the century
I had intended on installing sidux as a replacement for Crunchbang. Not that I was unhappy with Crunchbang, but because the idea of running Debian Sid was appealing to me. I’m generally not a fan on KDE (or XFCE), but I figured I would install LXDE and play around with that for awhile, although KDE 3.5 on sidux is pretty fast.
Well, things went awry when I tried to update the system using smxi. I believe I inadvertently upgraded to KDE 4 — when I rebooted, things were horribly wrong. I don’t blame sidux for this, but my own impatience, for not more thoroughly reading the documentation regarding upgrading/updating sidux. Oh well, perhaps I’ll try this again sometime. Moving on to:
Arch
There’s something very appealing about Arch to me, although I haven’t worked up the gumption (or the time) to really dig in and go through the steps to install it properly. The idea of installing only EXACTLY what I want, and nothing else, is a very powerful draw. Plus, they have a cool logo! But, instead of doing that, I took the shortcut and tried an Arch Live CD from here:
http://godane.wordpress.com/
The Live CD features the XFCE desktop environment, and a graphical installer option. The installation failed about halfway through. I don’t remember what the issue was. So much for cheating. I REALLY have to suck it up and do a proper Arch install sometime.
Knoppix
There’s a lot to like about Knoppix, including working Compiz from the start. In the end, however, I was seriously annoyed by not being able to change the default Openbox theme. WTF? OBConfig was there, but didn’t work. This should be basic stuff, no?
And so, after reinstalling Crunchbang out of frustration, I happened to read Caitlyn Martin’s review of the latest Mandriva release:
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090525#feature
I had downloaded and tried out the KDE version of Mandriva One when it was first released, and the live CD was so incredibly slow, that I didn’t consider it as an option. Beautiful, but slow. I was intrigued by the LXDE option available with this release, but I was under the impression that I would first need to install either the KDE or Gnome flavors, and then install LXDE through the package manager. The idea of installing all of that KDE or Gnome baggage, just to get to LXDE didn’t thrill me, so I let go of the idea of trying out Mandriva.
It was in reading Caitlyn’s article that I found out that I could install LXDE at the front end, avoiding KDE and Gnome entirely, by downloading the much larger (4.3 GB) Mandriva Free ISO.
And so here I am, after many fits and starts of downloading the ISO on my desktop Mac, sitting on a non-Debian distro on my Thinkpad T42.
The installation was quite beautiful and flawless, with enough options along the way to make a Slackware user drool. Mandriva enjoyed the top slot at Distrowatch for a long time in the pre-Ubuntu Linux world, and honestly, I personally would choose it over Ubuntu, any day of the week. Mandriva is great at tweaking the desktop environment to create a thing of beauty. Even their implementation of the tray in KDE 4 is not annoying, and I REALLY hate the KDE 4 tray. What they have done with LXDE is also very impressive and attractive. So far, I’m finding Mandriva 2009 with LXDE very likable — attractive and fast.
I think I’ll keep it around a while, and see how it goes.



Sounds great! So where’s the screenshot?
celettu
May 27, 2009
I’d like to, but I can’t seem to locate a screenshot feature. The ‘Print Screen’ key doesn’t do it for Mandriva/LXDE, apparently. Any thoughts?
eyeofliberty
May 27, 2009
In KDE, launch KSnapshot from the Kmenu, assuming you have it installed. You can take a snapshot of the entire screen, individual screens, to set a time to get something running, such as the menus dropped down or the screensaver in action.
LinuxLover
May 27, 2009
LL,
My DE is LXDE, not KDE, so no KSnapshot installed. Screenshots with either Gnome or KDE are no problem, but don’t seem to be implemented into LXDE yet.
eyeofliberty
May 27, 2009
I agree with you, Mandriva is good. Interestingly, their KDE4 is the only one that works so well.
Sadanand Hegde
May 27, 2009
Although I’m generally not a KDE fan, I do like what they have done with KDE 4. It’s the only implementation I have seen that I would actually consider using. I use older hardware, though, and find both KDE and Gnome to be too slow for my liking.
eyeofliberty
May 27, 2009
Shame on you. Spank yourself.
Mike
May 27, 2009
Mike, I assume you say this because of my having forsaken a Debian-based distro for Mandriva? If so, I know, believe me I know. I’m having a hard time with it. I am trying to resist the VERY strong urge to reinstall Crunchbang. It’s only because the Mandriva/LXDE combo is very good that I haven’t done so already. I’m trying to give it some time, though, and run it through some more paces. But I imagine I will end up reinstalling Crunchbang, in the end.
eyeofliberty
May 27, 2009
FWIW, I’m not familiar with Crunchbang, but IMO, any distro that doesn’t ship with something similar to the Mandriva Control Center or YaST is dead in the water on my system. You can keep “sudo ” crap. This isn’t the 1980’s…
LinuxLover
May 27, 2009
The Mandriva Control Center and YaST are quite nice. Very Mac-like (System Preferences), having all of your configuration options in one place.
eyeofliberty
May 27, 2009
not sure if it is installed by default, but you can use scrot from the command line for screenshots
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May 27, 2009
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Well, the Mandriva love was short-lived. Rather than going back to Crunchbang, however, I have decided instead to go with Debian. I have done a pretty straight forward Debian install, using Gnome, and added LXDE as well. Rather than running Gnome with Nautilus, though, I am using Openbox.
It’s all coming back to me now. I had ended up installing Crunchbang because I was unable to get sound working in Debian. But now the sound works fine. Go figure! Anyway, this is now sheer computing bliss.
There’s something I realized through all of this: I REALLY don’t like KDE. Even 3.5, which is much more tolerable than 4, just drives me freakin’ nuts! I’ve tried to like it, I really have. Where others see awesome configurability, I see unnecessary complication. I guess KDE 4 is a step in the right direction as far as that goes, but I just don’t like the implementation. And don’t get me started on all the apps that begin with “K”…
eyeofliberty
May 30, 2009
Best of luck with Mandriva. I installed it a while back but didn’t really give it much of a chance I guess. Then I collided with Slackware and haven’t looked back. I never could get LXDE situated properly enough to use it as a primary DE, but I liked it pretty much when I used it.
Oh, and thanks for blogrolling me.
Dave
June 9, 2009
Actually, Dave, I already dumped it and went back to Debian. Still thinking or trying Arch and Slackware, though.
eyeofliberty
June 9, 2009
I don’t understand a word you just said.
Brian Johnson
June 11, 2009
Yeah, welcome to the uber-geeky world of Linux users, Brian!
eyeofliberty
June 11, 2009